From sentto-44114-2097-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Tue Feb 29 16:40:29 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 24004 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2000 16:40:28 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 29 Feb 2000 16:40:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 26387 invoked by uid 40001); 29 Feb 2000 16:44:12 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 26384 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2000 16:44:11 -0000 Received: from c3.egroups.com (208.48.218.20) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 29 Feb 2000 16:44:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2097-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2000 16:44:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 18313 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2000 16:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Feb 2000 16:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.68) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 29 Feb 2000 16:43:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 83475 invoked by uid 0); 29 Feb 2000 16:43:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000229164358.83474.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.41.247.9 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:43:58 PST X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.9] To: lojban@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:43:58 PST X-eGroups-From: "Jorge Llambias" From: "Jorge Llambias" Subject: Re: [lojban] Use and abuse of sets Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Jorge Llambias" la djan cusku di'e >But here's another example: > > mi ralju le'i fenki > I am-the-chief-of a-specific-set-of crazy-ones. > I am the bull goose loony [from _One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest_] > >Having a "chief member" is a set property. Yes, according to the gismu list. But you could just as clearly say: {mi ralju lei fenki} and there is no change in meaning that I can detect. Requiring the x2 of ralju to be exclusively a mathematical set does not make sense, because there are many places that allow both sets and masses. A serious distinction between masses and sets would require that no place could take both, but that is not the case in Lojban. co'o mi'e xorxes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Shabang!com is the place to get your FREE eStore, Absolutely FREE Forever. If you have any desires to sell your products or services online, or you want to expand your customer base for FREE, Come check out Shabang!com FREE eStores! http://click.egroups.com/1/1299/1/_/17627/_/951842642/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com