From sentto-44114-1915-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Fri Feb 04 19:30:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 14638 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2000 19:30:42 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 4 Feb 2000 19:30:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 9646 invoked by uid 40001); 4 Feb 2000 19:32:38 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 9642 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2000 19:32:37 -0000 Received: from hh.egroups.com (208.48.218.10) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 4 Feb 2000 19:32:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-1915-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2000 19:32:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 4947 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2000 19:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.10.35 with QMQP; 4 Feb 2000 19:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web3002.mail.yahoo.com) (204.71.202.165) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2000 19:32:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 12103 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2000 19:31:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000204193128.12102.qmail@web3002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.150.213.218] by web3002.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:31:28 PST To: lojban@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:31:28 -0800 (PST) From: Joirin Couwe Subject: [lojban] LogFlash cheating Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Joirin Couwe Originally this was going to lojbab only but then I thought there might be some ideas to discuss in general. The context is my LogFlash training and participation to the research (as a subject). Am I allowed to "cheat" a little bit with LogFlash? I'd like to drop almost all words after new word review. I find that most words I did "remember" correctly after review were only in short term memory and don't succeed to advance to higher levels but crash back to drop pile in the 1x query anyway. There is still few words that I can remember at once and correctly like sumti, big surprise :). So should I take 'drop all first just to practise' as a consistent behavior or just for the words I know or feel that I really need practise. Can I drop words with by my will at next levels too. Or am I skewing results in some harmful way? I mean you can't see whether I answered wrongly with intention or didn't I just know the word. The hardest part is to get all 40 words into memory. The secondly hardest part is to learn the words which try to slip from memory all the time. But I'm not sure where should I put one part: recognizing words in opposite mapping, from english to lojban. I find that *very* hard too. But it's not comparable to tediousness of memorizing anything in the beginning. Should I try various sizes of the new word bunch? Like 60 or 80? (How's that option changed? I haven't seen that option since I generated my profile file.) Does the 'x1 some English/other English word/still more x2' notation mean that some english, other english, still more are different interpretations for the concept? Probably. Maybe I should try to express my question better: is the mapping from lojban l to english e like the following (e1 = some English, e2 = other English,...): +--> e1 l --| +--> e2 | +--> e3 which means l is some concept and mapping to English could be any of the forllowing English concepts e1, e2, e3 (conceptual difference between (e1|e2|e3) and l is relatively small). Or more like: l --+--> e1 | +--> e2 | +--> e3 L means mostly e1 with e2 and e3 appropriate translations sometimes. There might be other possible versions for l to e mapping but I'm a little bit too tired to think more about those, now. Few other notes (maybe something I have thought to include to my program): - I'd like get some noise words into erroneous practising. As you said, typing some word 6 times might become just typing exercise. When you're asked some other words in the meantime you just have to get a good practise to write the erroneous word right. - I don't like to drop to the base level when I can't recall english to lojban mapping. I have to type the english name for the word many times before I have another chance to exercise lojban. Typing in English enhances English recognition and at the same time it may harm lojban. At least it doesn't get it better. - Lojban writing is checked too little. - Some English words are really hard for foreigner. I might have heard 'immerse' or 'submerged' before but bath is much more common form. With this comment I don't have a intention to say that this is necessarily bad. My English vocabulary gets better without noticing :). - Some English cluewords are good idea. The problem is many times to remember the proper synonym for some clueword you recall. - For some words I really feel like I've learner them. For some I recall them immediately on the screen but not in the real world, real situation. So memorizing the word might hook itself to some specific environment. - I don't feel I really know the words I have already got to the top level. So maybe some real use is needed. - I feel most of the words are easier to learn in a form of some example sentences. The best thing would be of course to have few "clue sentences" and then generate questioning sentences when needed. Still, it might be too hard, although I have seen somewhere mentioning about program which generates random sentences. ===== - Bug Athlon, new insect processor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Valentine's Day Shopping Made Simple. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com