From sklyanin@pdmi.ras.ru Wed Feb  9 02:53:13 2000
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:53:13 +0000 (MSK)
From: sklyanin@pdmi.ras.ru
Subject: Re: 3 loaves
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Ivan Derzhanski wrote:

>> Also it should be {pa barda bliku},
>> or {pa lo barda bliku}, not {lo pa}.

>Or {lo barda nanba}.  One kalach is simply a large quantity
>of good white bread.

It was my first choice too. However, after that I reread the definition
of the gismu {nanba} and noticed that it is expressed precisely in the
same words as that of e.g. {djacu} or other uncountable substances. Compare:

{nanba}: x1 is a quantity of/contains bread [leavened or unleavened] made
 from grains x2

{djacu}: x1 is made of/contains/is a quantity/expanse of water

{cidro}: x1 is a quantity of/contains/is made of hydrogen (H)


>From this parallelism I concluded (prematurely?) that bread is treated in
lojban as a substance, like water, milk, air etc. So, I decided in favor of
{bliku} as a safely countable object.

By the way, can we say {pa djacu}, or {pa cidro}? Does it have any reasonable
meaning?

Evgueni Sklyanin