From araizen@newmail.net Sat Feb  5 11:34:22 2000
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 21:34:22 +0200
From: "Adam Raizen" <araizen@newmail.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Translation needed
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la xorxes cusku di'e

> la adam cusku di'e
> 
> > >     5. It is estimated that some 800 million people in the world
> > > suffer from
> > >     hunger and malnutrition, about 100 times as many as those who
> > > actually
> > >     die from it each year.
> > >
> >
> >.i mumai
> >.i jdice le du'u ji'i binonoki'oki'o prenu pevi le munje
> >cu xagji joi se xladja gi'e pilji li ji'i panono le ni ca ro nanca
> >ca'a mrobi'o
> 
> Not "jdice"! It sounds as if some World Hunger and Malnutrition
> Organization (WHMO) sets the quotas to be achieved each year.
> I think "kancu" or some variation, "smadykancu"?
> 

Right. smadi is the word I didn't think of. Maybe kacysmadi, since I 
don't know which place of 'kancu' 'smadi' occupies in smadykancu.

> Also, I don't like at all the structure:
> 
>   binonoki'oki'o prenu cu pilji li panono le ni ...
> 
> I think the three arguments of pilji are of the same type
> (numbers) and you can't have a mixture like that, especially
> the people in x1. You are saying that each of them are
> the product of the number 100 and the ni thing.
> 

I think you're being too strict. We often do multiplication, say, with 
numbers of actual things, for example "3 meals times 5 is 15 
meals". Actually, I was a bit uneasy with it too, until I realized that 
if were to make up the exact place structure that I want, it would be 
the same as pilji. In this case 'xecto' would probably work, and 
maybe it's better here, but it's not a general solution for non-round 
numbers, or for addition and subtraction, etc.

OTOH, you're probably right that I'm saying that each of the 800m 
people is the product, and I'm not sure how to get around that.

> Maybe something like:
> 
> i smadykancu lei xagji joi se xladja prenu pe vi le munje
> li ji'i binonoki'oki'o noi xecto le se klani be lei prenu
> poi ca ro nanca ke'a ca'a mrobi'o
> 

I'll accept:

.i kacysmadi le'i xagji joi se xladja pe vi le munje li ji'i 
binonoki'oki'o noi xecto le selylai be lei prenu poi ca ro 
nanca ca'a mrobi'o

while I think about it some more.

> We're still missing the "from it".
> 

I left out 'from it' because I figured that it was obvious, and I didn't 
want to assign a ko'a or broda. In the revised version, 'it' doesn't 
really have any referrent. However, if we decide to use something, 
we could put it in the x2 place of mrobi'o, which should be the x3 of 
binxo.

co'o mi'e adam


Adam Raizen
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