From jcowan@reutershealth.com Tue Feb 22 08:17:12 2000 X-Digest-Num: 372 Message-ID: <44114.372.2058.959273826@eGroups.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:17:12 -0500 From: John Cowan Subject: Re: Dr. James Cooke Brown X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 2058 Emerson Mitchell wrote: > Here's another friendly suggestion: each side should check the other sides > dictionary for words that could be incorporated unchanged without damage to > the respective grammers. Not sure what this would mean. In prim/gismu space, there are definitely both soft collisions like "blanu" (Loglan: x1 is bluer than x2; Lojban: x1 is blue) and "barda" (Loglan: x1 rewards x2 for action x3 with reward x4; Lojban: x1 is large in dimension x2 by standard x3). But even if we eliminate these, what is the point of having both Loglan "nirda" and Lojban "cipni" for "bird", particularly with the minute difference that the x2 of "cipni" specifies the species of bird, whereas "nirda" lacks x2? As for LWs/cmavo, the Lojban cmavo space is larger than the Loglan one and is essentially full: there are 25 x 18 possible Loglan LWs, but there are 30 x 18 + 11 possible Lojban cmavo. There is a large experimental cmavo space in Lojban that Loglan doesn't allow for, essentially LWs like "laoa" (Lojban "la'o'a"). > My first thought was that each language could start by making the name for > the other an accepted primitive. Names as such aren't really prims/gismu: the gismu "lojbo" means "pertaining to Loglan/Lojban/logical languages", and doesn't *name* anything. Luckily, both names are legal in both languages, although "loglan." was for a long time not a legal Lojban name, because of the embedded "la". -- Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis vom dies! || John Cowan Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || http://www.reutershealth.com Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer)