From sentto-44114-1930-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sat Feb 05 19:38:28 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 15923 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2000 19:38:27 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 5 Feb 2000 19:38:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 22060 invoked by uid 40001); 5 Feb 2000 19:33:47 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 22056 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2000 19:33:46 -0000 Received: from hl.egroups.com (208.48.218.14) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 5 Feb 2000 19:33:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-1930-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.37] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2000 19:33:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 21547 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2000 19:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.10.37 with QMQP; 5 Feb 2000 19:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out.newmail.net) (192.117.188.36) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2000 19:33:38 -0000 Received: from default ([62.0.163.49]) by out.newmail.net ; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 21:36:02 +02:00 To: lojban@onelist.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20000130213649.203.qmail@hotmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: <94981536301@out.newmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 21:34:22 +0200 From: "Adam Raizen" Reply-to: araizen@newmail.net Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: Subjunctives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Adam Raizen" la xorxes cusku di'e > From: "Jorge Llambias" > > la adam cusku di'e > > >I disagree. It seems to me that the x1 of vanbi is the geneal way to > >express places like the x3 of binxo. In other words, "loi bisli cu > >binxo loi jaclitki le nu glare" doesn't necessarily mean that any ice > >actually becomes liquid water, if it never gets hot enough. Likewise > >if "vanbi" is the main bridi. Even when you use the tag "va'o" as in > >the above sentence, the main bridi is only being claimed under the > >condition of the tagged sumti, as if an "under conditions" place was > >added to the main bridi. > > I'm not sure why you say you disagree. I agree with what > you say, which means that va'o by itself, without da'i, > already tags a hypothetical. > Maybe I misunderstood you, but I had thought that you had just said that you accepted that "va'o" without "da'i" claims the main bridi with the tagged sumti as its environment, whereas I was saying that the main bridi does not necessarily occur if what is tagged by "va'o" doesn't occur. Adam Raizen araizen@newmail.net ------------------- "Oom, Shmoom!" --David Ben-Gurion --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Finding a sweetheart is hard work. Shopping for one shouldn't be. Click here for Valentine Surprises. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com