From sentto-44114-1935-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun Feb 06 00:26:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 16291 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2000 00:26:00 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 6 Feb 2000 00:26:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 1575 invoked by uid 40001); 6 Feb 2000 00:27:57 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 1572 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2000 00:27:57 -0000 Received: from ej.egroups.com (208.48.218.19) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 6 Feb 2000 00:27:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-1935-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.39] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2000 00:27:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 25735 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2000 00:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.10.39 with QMQP; 6 Feb 2000 00:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.75) by 10.1.10.27 with SMTP; 6 Feb 2000 00:27:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 61156 invoked by uid 0); 6 Feb 2000 00:27:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000206002754.61155.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.41.247.36 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 16:27:54 PST X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.36] To: lojban@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 16:27:54 PST From: "Jorge Llambias" Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Translation needed Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Jorge Llambias" la adam cusku di'e >I think you're being too strict. We often do multiplication, say, with >numbers of actual things, for example "3 meals times 5 is 15 >meals". That one is ok, if you figure how to get a sumti for a dimensioned number like "3 meals". I suppose you are not saying that there are some three given meals that turn out to be some 15 given meals when they get multiplied by 5. So, assuming there is a way to have dimensioned numbers as sumti in Lojban, then the dimensions of x1 of pliji have to match the dimensions of x2 times those of x3. >Actually, I was a bit uneasy with it too, until I realized that >if were to make up the exact place structure that I want, it would be >the same as pilji. In this case 'xecto' would probably work, and >maybe it's better here, but it's not a general solution for non-round >numbers, or for addition and subtraction, etc. I don't have a problem with saying that if I add this apple to this orange I get these two fruits. I am not sure what it means to say that I multiply this apple by the number three. Ok, I can accept this: le vi ci plise cu pliji li ci le va pa plise These three apples are 3 times that one apple. >OTOH, you're probably right that I'm saying that each of the 800m >people is the product, and I'm not sure how to get around that. You have to refer to them as a mass: {lo prenu 800ki'oki'omei}, {lei 800ki'oki'o prenu}, etc. co'o mi'e xorxes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Shop for your Valentine at eGroups. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com