From sentto-44114-1949-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Tue Feb 08 08:22:51 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 20296 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2000 08:22:50 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 8 Feb 2000 08:22:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 18159 invoked by uid 40001); 8 Feb 2000 08:25:02 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 18156 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2000 08:25:02 -0000 Received: from hm.egroups.com (208.48.218.15) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 8 Feb 2000 08:25:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-1949-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2000 08:25:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 31344 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2000 08:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.10.35 with QMQP; 8 Feb 2000 08:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO argo.bas.bg) (195.96.224.7) by 10.1.10.27 with SMTP; 8 Feb 2000 08:24:27 -0000 Received: from banmatpc.math.bas.bg (root@banmatpc.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.2]) by argo.bas.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id KAA28072 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:24:17 +0200 Received: from iad.math.bas.bg (iad.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.88]) by banmatpc.math.bas.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA19043 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:24:07 +0200 Message-ID: <389FD2BB.709E@math.bas.bg> Organization: Institute for Mathematics and Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) To: The Lojban List References: <200002071142.LAA19818@euclid.pdmi.ras.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:24:28 +0200 From: Ivan A Derzhanski Reply-to: iad@math.bas.bg Subject: Re: [lojban] And the Eskimos have 100 words for 'Snow Cone' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ivan A Derzhanski sklyanin@pdmi.ras.ru wrote: > Ivan Derzhanski wrote: > >Never mind `fun'; why is there no word for `meal' in Russian > >(or Bulgarian, or many other languages for that matter)? > > Yes, I had a tough time trying to translate the gismu "sanmi" for my > Lojban-Russian dictionary (my current project, far from completion). > After all, I came up with "trapeza", a word rarely used in modern > language but the nearest thing to "meal" I could think of. Yet not nearly near enough. Some examples in the Codex talk about {citka le sanmi}; a _trapeza_ is something you can organise, share with someone, but you can't eat it. (Maybe etymology has something to do with it: before the two words could refer to an eating event, _meal_ was `food' and _trapeza_ was `table'.) How about glossing {sanmi} as `breakfast, lunch or dinner'? Is `arm or hand' not more palatable than `human upper limb' as a gloss for _ruka_? -- <'al-_haylu wa-al-laylu wa-al-baydA'u ta`rifunI wa-as-sayfu wa-ar-rum.hu wa-al-qir.tAsu wa-al-qalamu> (Abu t-Tayyib Ahmad Ibn Hussayn al-Mutanabbi) Ivan A Derzhanski H: cplx Iztok bl 91, 1113 Sofia, Bulgaria W: Dept for Math Lx, Inst for Maths & CompSci, Bulg Acad of Sciences --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Don’t buy your Valentine a Gift by clicking here. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com