From sentto-44114-1954-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Wed Feb 09 07:51:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 22037 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2000 07:51:56 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 9 Feb 2000 07:51:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 1017 invoked by uid 40001); 9 Feb 2000 07:54:13 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 1008 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2000 07:54:12 -0000 Received: from fj.egroups.com (208.48.218.16) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 9 Feb 2000 07:54:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-1954-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.39] by fj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2000 07:54:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 19436 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2000 07:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.10.39 with QMQP; 9 Feb 2000 07:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay.ioffe.rssi.ru) (194.85.224.33) by 10.1.10.27 with SMTP; 9 Feb 2000 07:53:59 -0000 Received: from hilbert.pdmi.ras.ru (hilbert.pdmi.ras.ru [195.208.36.7]) by relay.ioffe.rssi.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14183 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:53:51 +0300 (MSK) Received: from euclid.pdmi.ras.ru (euclid.pdmi.ras.ru [195.208.36.2]) by hilbert.pdmi.ras.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA00678; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:51:20 +0300 Received: (from sklyanin@localhost) by euclid.pdmi.ras.ru (8.8.8+Sun/8.6.12) id KAA23756; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:53:13 GMT Message-Id: <200002091053.KAA23756@euclid.pdmi.ras.ru> To: lojban@onelist.com CC: Evgueni Sklyanin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:53:13 +0000 (MSK) From: sklyanin@pdmi.ras.ru Subject: [lojban] Re: 3 loaves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: sklyanin@pdmi.ras.ru Ivan Derzhanski wrote: >> Also it should be {pa barda bliku}, >> or {pa lo barda bliku}, not {lo pa}. >Or {lo barda nanba}. One kalach is simply a large quantity >of good white bread. It was my first choice too. However, after that I reread the definition of the gismu {nanba} and noticed that it is expressed precisely in the same words as that of e.g. {djacu} or other uncountable substances. Compare: {nanba}: x1 is a quantity of/contains bread [leavened or unleavened] made from grains x2 {djacu}: x1 is made of/contains/is a quantity/expanse of water {cidro}: x1 is a quantity of/contains/is made of hydrogen (H) >From this parallelism I concluded (prematurely?) that bread is treated in lojban as a substance, like water, milk, air etc. So, I decided in favor of {bliku} as a safely countable object. By the way, can we say {pa djacu}, or {pa cidro}? Does it have any reasonable meaning? Evgueni Sklyanin --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Body Paint, Chocolates, & Roses Oh My. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com