From sentto-44114-1899-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Thu Feb 03 09:06:12 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 12165 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2000 09:06:11 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 3 Feb 2000 09:06:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 14397 invoked by uid 40001); 3 Feb 2000 09:08:02 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 14394 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2000 09:08:01 -0000 Received: from hi.egroups.com (208.48.218.11) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 3 Feb 2000 09:08:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-1899-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.39] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2000 09:07:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 19410 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2000 09:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.10.39 with QMQP; 3 Feb 2000 09:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO argo.bas.bg) (195.96.224.7) by 10.1.10.27 with SMTP; 3 Feb 2000 09:07:36 -0000 Received: from banmatpc.math.bas.bg (root@banmatpc.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.2]) by argo.bas.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id LAA04751 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:07:26 +0200 Received: from iad.math.bas.bg (iad.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.88]) by banmatpc.math.bas.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA32127 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:07:24 +0200 Message-ID: <3899455E.351C@math.bas.bg> Organization: Institute for Mathematics and Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) To: The Lojban List References: <200002031031.KAA15193@euclid.pdmi.ras.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 11:07:42 +0200 From: Ivan A Derzhanski Reply-to: iad@math.bas.bg Subject: Re: [lojban] 3 loafs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ivan A Derzhanski sklyanin@pdmi.ras.ru wrote: > This is my first translation exercise. It is a fable > "Tri kalacha i odna baranka" (Three loa[ve]s and one bagel) [...] > The Lojban translation: > > [1] lo pa nanmu cu xagji > [2] .i te vecnu lo pa barda bliku be lo nanba gi'e citka > [3] .i ku'i ca'o xagji I'd abbreviate {lo pa} to either just {lo} or just {pa}. {ca'o xagji} `he is continuously hungry': doesn't {co'unai} get the point across better? > [4] .i te vecnu lo remoi bliku gi'e citka > [5] .i ku'i ca'o xagji > [6] .i te vecnu lo cimoi bliku gi'e citka > [7] .i ku'i ca'o xagji How do we say `one more' (English `another one') in Lojban? > [8] .i baku te vecnu loi cmalu djine nanba > .ije ba le nu citka lo pa djine kei co'u xagji > [9] .i baku le nanmu cu darxi le stedu le xance gi'e cusku lu [9] doesn't really need a connective, but if you want one, I think I'd make it causal rather than temporal. > [10] .oi mi bebna Better make the whole thing a complex attitudinal. The chap isn't really complaining, he's expressing annoyance/frustration of an intellectual sort (the {ro'V} series). > [11] .i .uinai mi pu fesygau le ba'e so'i nanba ki'u ma A rhetorical question in the original. It may not be a good idea to phrase it as a question in the translation. All he's doing is state that he's eaten (too) many loaves in vain. > [12] .i .ei mi pu gasnu le nu le pa cmalu djine > cu pamoi le'i se citka be mi li'u I don't quite see why you make him say that he did {gasnu} that. It's those modalities again. The original goes `I should (just) have eaten a bagel straight away', which amounts to `In a world where I act (or things in general go) in the best possible way, which is a world different from the actual one, I ate(*) a bagel as soon as I was hungry'. (*) Past time, different axis. The form is awkward in English, but we're talking meta-English here. -- <'al-_haylu wa-al-laylu wa-al-baydA'u ta`rifunI wa-as-sayfu wa-ar-rum.hu wa-al-qir.tAsu wa-al-qalamu> (Abu t-Tayyib Ahmad Ibn Hussayn al-Mutanabbi) Ivan A Derzhanski H: cplx Iztok bl 91, 1113 Sofia, Bulgaria W: Dept for Math Lx, Inst for Maths & CompSci, Bulg Acad of Sciences --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com