From sentto-44114-1979-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Mon Feb 14 16:53:14 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 31131 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2000 16:53:13 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 14 Feb 2000 16:53:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 24762 invoked by uid 40001); 14 Feb 2000 16:55:52 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 24759 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2000 16:55:51 -0000 Received: from ch.egroups.com (208.48.218.21) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 14 Feb 2000 16:55:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-1979-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.39] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2000 16:55:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 19534 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2000 16:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.10.39 with QMQP; 14 Feb 2000 16:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO argo.bas.bg) (195.96.224.7) by 10.1.10.27 with SMTP; 14 Feb 2000 16:55:26 -0000 Received: from banmatpc.math.bas.bg (root@banmatpc.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.2]) by argo.bas.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id SAA06438 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:55:18 +0200 Received: from iad.math.bas.bg (iad.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.88]) by banmatpc.math.bas.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA15371 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:55:14 +0200 Message-ID: <38A8338C.3BE5@math.bas.bg> Organization: Institute for Mathematics and Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) To: The Lojban List References: <4.2.2.20000211054018.00aef220@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:55:40 +0200 From: Ivan A Derzhanski Reply-to: iad@math.bas.bg Subject: Re: [lojban] And the Eskimos have 100 words for 'Snow Cone' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ivan A Derzhanski Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > At 10:37 AM 02/10/2000 +0200, Ivan A Derzhanski wrote: > Since you would use "eda" in expressing "before/during/after eating", > I would ask how Russians express eating/snacking that occurs between > the customary meals of the day. Well, there are words for `snack' (derived from `bite', mostly). A trickier question is how one manages to exclude those when talking of eating. Context does the job: `3 times a day after eating' clearly means `after the 3 major daily eatings'; `eat _k_ times a day' is interpreted as `have _k_ meals a day' precisely because snacks are accidental by nature. > At 02:31 PM 02/10/2000 -0800, Jorge Llambias wrote: > >la lojbab cusku di'e > > >But on the other hand, if someone asked me to define "sanmi" > > >in Lojban - my first inclination would be to say "nu citka" ("event > > >of eating") so that the matchup is not as bad as you make it sound. > > > >That has to be malglico! > > And malrusko and malspano, from the sound of it The same word also denotes {nu citka} and {se citka} in Hindi (where one even says `eat eating --> a meal' for `dine'), Chinese and, I'm sure, Arabic. I can't claim that this metonymy is common to all natlangs, but it is certainly very common. Which doesn't make it acceptable in Lojban, though. -- <'al-_haylu wa-al-laylu wa-al-baydA'u ta`rifunI wa-as-sayfu wa-ar-rum.hu wa-al-qir.tAsu wa-al-qalamu> (Abu t-Tayyib Ahmad Ibn Hussayn al-Mutanabbi) Ivan A Derzhanski H: cplx Iztok bl 91, 1113 Sofia, Bulgaria W: Dept for Math Lx, Inst for Maths & CompSci, Bulg Acad of Sciences --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9 percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com