From sentto-44114-2254-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Fri Mar 17 15:49:10 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 18543 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 15:49:09 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 15:49:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 19155 invoked by uid 40001); 17 Mar 2000 15:50:10 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 19152 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 15:50:09 -0000 Received: from c3.egroups.com (208.48.218.20) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 15:50:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2254-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2000 15:50:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 7827 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 15:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Mar 2000 15:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fair.fe.msk.ru) (194.247.147.11) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 15:50:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (slobin@localhost) by fair.fe.msk.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA20445 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:50:00 +0300 X-Sender: slobin@fair.fe.msk.ru To: lojban@onelist.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:50:00 +0300 (MSK) X-eGroups-From: Cyril Slobin From: Cyril Slobin Subject: [lojban] morphology again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cyril Slobin coi rodo A new series of morphology questions: 1. In The Reference Grammar (at least online version - I don't have a printed book), Chapter 4 "Morphology", John Cowan writes: > It is possible to have fu'ivla like ``spa'i'' that are five letters > long, but they must have ``'''; no gismu contains ``'''." But {spa'i} fails slinku'i test - cf. {bespa'i}. Is it an error or I have misunderstood something? 2. I do not understand exact meaning of following rule: > All fu'ivla: [...] must not be gismu or lujvo, or any combination of > cmavo, gismu, and lujvo; furthermore, a fu'ivla with a CV cmavo joined > to the front of it must not have the form of a lujvo (the so-called > ``slinku'i test''); Are we talking about real lujvo made of real rafsi, or just about vovel-consonsnt patterns? Eg. can {becfe'e} be a fu'ivla? {becfe'e} looks like a lujvo, but neither {bec} nor {fe'e} rafsi exists. 3. Is {anta} a valid fu'ivla? If not, why? 4. The same questions for {aunta}. 5. In general, are 4-or-5-letter fu'ivla possible? co'o mi'e kir. noi denpa .a'o lo danfu .a'u -- Cyril Slobin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/2/_/17627/_/953308206/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com