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Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:59:46 -0500
To: lojban@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [lojban] Mass/Set
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At 01:43 PM 03/11/2000 -0800, Jorge Llambias wrote:
>la lojbab cusku di'e
> >It better, since most people who eat apples only eat a fraction of them,
> >discarding the core.
>
>Yes, I forgot to comment about that. Obviously discarding
>the core or the peel still counts as eating an apple, but
>does eating half an apple count as eating an apple?
>It doesn't in English,

Only to adults %^)  Sometimes my kids "eat an apple" and what is left is 
easily half.

>  and I suspect it doesn't count
>as {citka lo plise} in Lojban either.

Implicit quantifier su'o normally means "one" but could be "part of one" in 
some circumstances.  Let us say that I spot someone's head far away 
sticking above an obstruction.  I would say "I see someone"; "mi viska lo 
prenu" even though what I saw was far less than a person (one reason why I 
think of individual people as masses, and indeed individual objects of any 
kind - if the relevant properties can be met by part of the whole, then we 
say it applies to the whole rather as a mass).  To clearly say you ate the 
whole apple, you can say piropa or piro le pa lo plise.


>co'o mi'e xorxes
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