From xod@sixgirls.org Fri Mar 3 14:23:51 2000 X-Digest-Num: 383 Message-ID: <44114.383.2183.959273826@eGroups.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:23:51 -0500 (EST) From: Invent Yourself Subject: Re: final clubs X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 2183 On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > From: "Jorge Llambias" > > > > > >Club A imposes no conditions on its members > > > >Club B requires members to swear a loyalty oath, > > > > and to swear no other oaths > > > >Club C requires members to swear a loyalty oath, > > > > and to swear no other oaths > > > > > > How can you tell in that example that it is B and C that > > > are final, and not that A is the only final club? > > la xod cusku di'e > > >Because you can't be a member of B and C, unless you join them > >simultaneously. If A was final and {B, C} were not, you could join both B > >and C. > > Sorry, I don't understand. A can be final by itself: > Membership in A precludes membership in any other > final club (which happen to be none). A imposes no conditions. If A were the only final club, it would have to impose the condition of not joining any other final clubs that should arise later. But {B, C} forbid joining final clubs, according to the oath promising to swear no other oaths. So they are final. If you want to try to create a final club that doesn't swear any oaths, that goes against the definition. The mirror case is not valid. > Membership in B or C does not preclude membership > in A, which is the only final club, so they are not > final clubs. This is consistent with the definition > of final clubs. You cannot join both B and C, but > that is not enough to make them final. > > Of course, B and C being final and A not final is > also consistent. That is why final clubs are not well > defined in this situation. We have two possible > answers. > > co'o mi'e xorxes > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/937/1/_/17627/_/952121248/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > ----- When they took the fourth amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the sixth amendment, I was quiet because I was innocent. When they took the second amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun. Now they've taken the first amendment, and I can say nothing about it.