From sentto-44114-2142-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Fri Mar 03 01:08:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 28415 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 01:08:52 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 01:08:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 20760 invoked by uid 40001); 3 Mar 2000 01:08:49 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 20757 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 01:08:48 -0000 Received: from ej.egroups.com (208.50.144.75) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 01:08:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2142-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.36] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2000 01:08:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 20364 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 01:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Mar 2000 01:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.112) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 01:01:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 55933 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2000 01:01:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000303010132.55932.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.41.247.49 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:01:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.49] To: lojban@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:01:32 PST X-eGroups-From: "Jorge Llambias" From: "Jorge Llambias" Subject: Re: [lojban] re: lei, le'i Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Jorge Llambias" la maikl cusku di'e >One sees that LE'I POI BRODA KU'O BRODE asserts that it is the >set which is BRODA; & in LEI POI BRODA KU'O BRODE it is each >member of the mass. Are you sure? I would have said that in both cases it is the members. To get the clause to apply to the whole you'd have to use: {le'i brode ku poi broda}, which is different from {le'i brode poi broda ku}. Subordinate clauses can be attached inside or outside the sumti closed with ku. I think the convention is that pre-posed clauses like in your example are as if attached inside. In any case, I expect the rule to be the same for sets and for masses, whichever it is. >A Midnight of Ravens: LEI XEKCPI > >Blackbirds in a Pie: LE'I POI NENRI LE PALTYTITLA KU'O It all depends what you will be claiming about it. A mathematical set of blackbirds won't occupy any space. co'o mi'e xorxes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/2120/1/_/17627/_/952045700/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com