From sentto-44114-2163-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Fri Mar 03 17:02:10 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 29585 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 17:02:04 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 17:02:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 17520 invoked by uid 40001); 3 Mar 2000 17:02:05 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 17517 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 17:02:04 -0000 Received: from ch.egroups.com (208.48.218.21) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 17:02:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2163-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2000 17:02:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 1491 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 17:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Mar 2000 17:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 17:01:57 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@skunk.reutershealth.com [204.243.9.153]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26738 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:01:50 -0500 (EST) Sender: cowan@mail.reutershealth.com Message-ID: <38BFEFFC.5819C58D@reutershealth.com> Organization: Reuters Health Information X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: "lojban@onelist.com" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:01:48 -0500 X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Subject: Re: [lojban] final clubs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: John Cowan And Rosta wrote: > Is the definition not inherently circular? The only way you'd know what > was a Final Club would be by listing all Final Clubs, at least given the > 'definition' you give. No, it is possible to identify the final clubs, although some configurations of clubs and rules create indeterminate results, as Jorge has pointed out. > Or is the definition more like this: "a club such that membership in it > precludes membership in any (every) other club that precludes membership in > any (some) other club"? A club such that membership in it precludes membership in every other club that precludes membership in every other club that precludes .... etc. etc. But the circularity is not vicious, any more than it is vicious to talk of "the most nearly typical Yale student" (call him Sam), defined by averaging the various properties of all Yale students, *including Sam*, and then identifying Sam by matching all Yale students to the average: Sam is the best fit. > At any rate, the problem is in understand what counts as a final club. Yes. > One you do that, then defining it in Lojban is trivial. Or so we hope. -- Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis vom dies! || John Cowan Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || http://www.reutershealth.com Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/2120/1/_/17627/_/952102918/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com