From sentto-44114-2180-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Fri Mar 03 22:07:47 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 30083 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 22:07:45 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 22:07:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 26030 invoked by uid 40001); 3 Mar 2000 22:07:46 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 26027 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 22:07:45 -0000 Received: from ch.egroups.com (208.48.218.21) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 22:07:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2180-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2000 22:07:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 4294 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 22:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Mar 2000 22:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.31) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 22:07:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 41703 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2000 22:07:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000303220727.41702.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.41.247.38 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:07:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.38] To: lojban@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:07:27 PST X-eGroups-From: "Jorge Llambias" From: "Jorge Llambias" Subject: Re: [lojban] final clubs Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Jorge Llambias" > > >Club A imposes no conditions on its members > > >Club B requires members to swear a loyalty oath, > > > and to swear no other oaths > > >Club C requires members to swear a loyalty oath, > > > and to swear no other oaths > > > > How can you tell in that example that it is B and C that > > are final, and not that A is the only final club? la xod cusku di'e >Because you can't be a member of B and C, unless you join them >simultaneously. If A was final and {B, C} were not, you could join both B >and C. Sorry, I don't understand. A can be final by itself: Membership in A precludes membership in any other final club (which happen to be none). Membership in B or C does not preclude membership in A, which is the only final club, so they are not final clubs. This is consistent with the definition of final clubs. You cannot join both B and C, but that is not enough to make them final. Of course, B and C being final and A not final is also consistent. That is why final clubs are not well defined in this situation. We have two possible answers. co'o mi'e xorxes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/937/1/_/17627/_/952121248/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com