Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 31661 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2000 21:40:03 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 4 Mar 2000 21:40:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 3354 invoked by uid 40001); 4 Mar 2000 21:40:09 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 3351 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2000 21:40:08 -0000 Received: from c3.egroups.com (208.48.218.20) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 4 Mar 2000 21:40:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2213-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2000 21:40:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 809 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2000 21:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Mar 2000 21:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out.newmail.net) (192.117.188.36) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 4 Mar 2000 21:40:01 -0000 Received: from default ([62.0.165.138]) by out.newmail.net ; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:37:56 +02:00 To: lojban@onelist.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.2.2.20000227014828.00b37bd0@127.0.0.1> References: <95163626601@out.newmail.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: <95224188301@out.newmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 23:41:36 +0200 X-eGroups-From: "Adam Raizen" From: "Adam Raizen" Reply-To: araizen@newmail.net Subject: Re: [lojban] (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2037 Lines: 47 From: "Adam Raizen" la lojbab cusku di'e > From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" > > At 11:22 PM 02/26/2000 +0200, Adam Raizen wrote: > >la lojban cusku di'e > > > At 12:26 AM 02/24/2000 -0500, BestATN@aol.com wrote: > > > >How do you say in Lojban "I miss you" as a man might say to his wife when > > > >she's in hospital and he has to work? > > > > > > This sounds more attitudinal than anything one would claim with a > > predicate > > > sentence. > > > >Anything you can say with an attitudinal can be made into a > >predicate claim. Sometimes it might be a little clumsy, but it still > >works. > > Yes, but an attitudinal expresses emotion, whereas a predicate claim merely > claims it. A man named John asserting predicatively that "I miss you" is > expressing the identical semantics of a computer saying "la djan [misses] > do. In other words there literally is no emotive content there. It is a > claim, which may be true or it may be false. While no doubt people will > manage to fake emotions in Lojban, the attitudinal is still such an > expression and is beyond truth or falsehood - it is a speech act that > actually conveys what it expresses while expressing it. Granted, but the attitudinals by themselves are pretty vague, which is why I suggested adding attitudinals to the bridi, i.e. something like ".i o'unai mi kanydji do be'uro'i.o'e.i'i.iucai" i co'o mi'e adam araizen@newmail.net ------------------------------------------------------------- The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. --Robert Heinlein ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/936/1/_/17627/_/952206005/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com