Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 27885 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2000 21:05:05 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 21:05:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 10008 invoked by uid 40001); 2 Mar 2000 21:08:58 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 10005 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2000 21:08:57 -0000 Received: from fk.egroups.com (208.50.144.73) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 21:08:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2133-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.36] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2000 21:08:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 13852 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2000 21:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Mar 2000 21:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.164) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 21:08:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 77257 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2000 21:08:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000302210849.77256.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.41.247.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:08:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.59] To: lojban@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:08:48 PST X-eGroups-From: "Jorge Llambias" From: "Jorge Llambias" Subject: Re: [lojban] cultural rafsi fu'ivla Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1672 Lines: 46 From: "Jorge Llambias" coi marios Cultural words are among the least culturally neutral parts of the language, not by design of course, but that's how it is. I remember being surprized by many of the cultural gismu choices when I started to learn the language too. I was happy to find that there was a word for Argentinian, but even so it seemed to me very arbitrary. I expect this situation will change when and if the composition of Lojbanists becomes more culturally heterogeneous. I think {kra'ibe} is a good fu'ivla for Caribbean. I prefer that one to {kraibe},which would have the stress on the diphthong "ai", and so it is less recognizable. But don't worry too much about it. Some people have used unofficial gismu before for nationalities that were not included, like xorvo for Croatian, norgo for Norwegian, talno for Italian and turko for Turkish. You could use krabo or kribo for Caribbean if you feel the need. (karbo would clash with the already existing karbi). Lojban first and foremost belongs to its users, so if you become a user you will have a big say on its evolution. co'o mi'e xorxes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/1/_/17627/_/952031329/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com