Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 29531 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 16:38:11 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 16:38:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 16702 invoked by uid 40001); 3 Mar 2000 16:38:09 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 16693 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 16:38:07 -0000 Received: from c3.egroups.com (208.48.218.20) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 16:38:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2161-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2000 16:38:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 30542 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 16:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Mar 2000 16:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.31) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 16:37:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 27026 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2000 16:37:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000303163758.27025.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.41.247.32 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:37:58 PST X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.32] To: lojban@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:37:58 PST X-eGroups-From: "Jorge Llambias" From: "Jorge Llambias" Subject: Re: [lojban] The Quine challenge Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1530 Lines: 44 From: "Jorge Llambias" la stivn cusku di'e >I don't see how the problem would have a different solution. >"Precludes" is a symmetric relationship. It depends how you interpret it. John interpreted in two different ways in his example. With one interpretation, saying "mambersip in club A is compatible with membership in any other club" and "membership in club B precludes membership in any other club" are contradictory. With the other interpretation they are not. >Membership in A precludes membership in B certainly does imply that >membership in B precludes membership in A. Certainly in practice. But a rule of club A precluding its members from being members of club B does not entail that there be a rule in club B precluding its members from being members of club A. Even if in practice they couldn't be members of A because of A's rules. What is not clear to me is whether the "definition" talks about practical or normative preclusion. co'o mi'e xorxes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/1/_/17627/_/952101479/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com