From sentto-44114-2479-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun Apr 30 18:20:48 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 9716 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2000 18:20:47 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 30 Apr 2000 18:20:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 20276 invoked by uid 40001); 30 Apr 2000 18:21:13 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 20273 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2000 18:21:13 -0000 Received: from fi.egroups.com (207.138.41.182) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 30 Apr 2000 18:21:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2479-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.37] by fi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2000 18:21:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 7001 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2000 18:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Apr 2000 18:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.113) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2000 18:21:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 6711 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 2000 18:21:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000430182108.6710.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.41.247.36 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:21:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.36] To: lojban@egroups.com From: "Jorge Llambias" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:21:08 PDT Subject: Re: [lojban] re: nazycau gerku and najyzme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit la pycyn cusku di'e ><< > za'a galfi le jufra (It seems to modify the sentence.)>> [...] > And will {galfi} really work: the sentence is >unchanged and the lojban phrase is hardly an agent? {ve skicu}? [Natural >tight literalism in action] Why can't a sentence be modified? Can't we say: le nu pilno zo ba'o cu galfi lu i sidbo li'u lu i ba'o sidbo li'u The use of "ba'o" changes the sentence "i sidbo" into the sentence "i ba'o sidbo". {le jufra} has to refer to the sentence before the modification, but that would be the case with any object being modified, nothing special about sentences. >.i mi pu'o ciksi zo nazyzme fo la'e lu kanba >se cigla panci guzme li'u no'u la'e zoi gy. muskmelon .gy i le mi vlacku cu xusra to lo cukta ka'e xusra toi le du'u la'e zoi gy musk gy cu mirli se cigla co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. http://click.egroups.com/1/3019/2/_/17627/_/957118871/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com