From sentto-44114-2409-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Mon Apr 17 05:25:03 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 22290 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2000 05:25:02 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 05:25:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 16351 invoked by uid 40001); 17 Apr 2000 06:26:23 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 16348 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2000 06:26:23 -0000 Received: from ml.egroups.com (208.50.144.77) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 06:26:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2409-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2000 07:26:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 7563 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2000 06:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Apr 2000 06:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO locke.ccil.org) (192.190.237.102) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 06:26:21 -0000 Received: (from cowan@localhost) by locke.ccil.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA25436 for lojban@onelist.com; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004170637.CAA25436@locke.ccil.org> To: lojban@onelist.com In-Reply-To: from "Richard Curnow" at Apr 16, 0 10:07:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:37:44 -0400 (EDT) X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Subject: Re: [lojban] Interaction of SE and NAhE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit la xorxes. cusku di'e > > I don't think there is any difference between those > > two, because {na'e} applies to the selbri, not only > > to the first argument. {klama} and {se klama} > > represent the same relationship, and {na'e} is the > > negation of that relationship . la ritcyd. cusku di'e > OK, what Jorge is saying is that NAhE and SE can be arbitrarily flowed > across one another. This makes the whole thing much simpler than what I > had in mind, so I agree the rest of my original argument is wrong. I think Jorge is right, but for the wrong reason. na'e only applies to the following component of the selbri, not to the whole thing, as is shown by these examples on the use of na'e in two-part tanru: na'e gerku zdani: house for a non-dog gerku na'e zdani: non-house for a dog na'e ke gerku zdani: non-doghouse But where there is no tanru involvement, the place structure of "na'e broda" tends to be the same as that of "broda", so NAhE and SE can be freely interchanged. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tradiant is creating the premier marketplace for shippers and carriers as well as a comprehensive family of e-commerce solutions that give transportation companies the competitive edge. Visit Tradiant today. http://click.egroups.com/1/3395/2/_/17627/_/955952781/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com