From sentto-44114-2352-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Wed Apr 12 15:13:16 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 15060 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2000 15:13:15 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 12 Apr 2000 15:13:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 12104 invoked by uid 40001); 12 Apr 2000 16:14:13 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 12101 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2000 16:14:13 -0000 Received: from jk.egroups.com (208.50.144.83) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 12 Apr 2000 16:14:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2352-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2000 16:14:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 28841 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2000 16:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Apr 2000 16:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Apr 2000 16:14:11 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id h.e0.30b4520 (4357) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: lojban@onelist.com X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:14:08 EDT X-eGroups-From: Pycyn@aol.com From: pycyn@aol.com Subject: [lojban] RECORD: staple gismu ("buckwheat") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lojban words for staples are to be used in the broadest useful sense, with more specific sense done by either compounds or context. The examples given are all of genera or family in the biologic sense (buckwheat-sorrel-rhubarb, taro-manioc-yam). But clearly other extensions are also intended. I think that the lojban word for potato (palto in my old list) covers both potatoes, a kind of nightshade shrub, and sweet potatoes, a kind of morningglory vine, with no useful biological connections. rismi (or whatever) covers both rice and wild rice and I don't think the latter is even graminacious. I suspect there are other cases where function or look or perhaps (as in these cases) English has pointed to the range of understanding (peanuts are more peas than nuts biologically, and cashews are apples, not oaks). Maybe we need some specifications within the dictionary on how these are to be spread -- more than just the (as in the case of "buckwheat") initally obscure list of cases. I also wonder what about the reverse cases, where a single species covers a variety of things -- Brassica oleoracea springs to mind (cabbage, kale, kohlrabi, cauliflower, broccoli, Brussel sprouts, and I think some oriental veggies as well -- more diverse than Canis familiaris). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups + great entertaining = An Unforgettable Easter Click Below to see how http://click.egroups.com/1/3124/2/_/17627/_/955556051/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com