From sentto-44114-2330-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Mon Apr 03 20:58:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 13561 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2000 20:58:00 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 3 Apr 2000 20:58:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 22482 invoked by uid 40001); 3 Apr 2000 20:59:59 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 22479 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2000 20:59:59 -0000 Received: from jj.egroups.com (208.50.144.82) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 3 Apr 2000 20:59:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2330-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.36] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2000 20:59:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 13142 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2000 20:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Apr 2000 20:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.156) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2000 20:59:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 18882 invoked by uid 0); 3 Apr 2000 20:59:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000403205947.18881.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.176.48.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:59:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.176.48.54] To: lojban@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:59:47 PDT X-eGroups-From: "michael helsem" From: "michael helsem" Subject: [lojban] games (was: re: new lojban website) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Easy to use the format of this, i like it.... While browsing, i noticed the old coinages for "game" using -KEI (of KELCI) instead of SELKEI, are still there. While of course the ultimate meaning of lujvo will defer to usage, in order to say 'baseball player' this way, we'll be saying 'baseballplayer player' literally... I think more precisely, however, a game is a sort of ritual, so that "to play a game" is RITLYKEI (children play without any fixed rules, so that SELKEI might simply be what they do, then); & "the game itself" would be KEINRITLI. Which brings me to a caution: it is much better to have to coin your own, however awkward, lujvo, than to rely on unanalyzed readymades--if too many people learn Lojban this way, it will end by causing the meanings of component rafsi to drift away from their original gismu... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com