From sentto-44114-2874-959525461-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun May 28 14:49:33 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 25975 invoked from network); 28 May 2000 14:49:32 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 28 May 2000 14:49:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 18858 invoked by uid 40001); 28 May 2000 14:51:04 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 18855 invoked from network); 28 May 2000 14:51:03 -0000 Received: from mk.egroups.com (207.138.41.165) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 28 May 2000 14:51:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2874-959525461-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2000 14:51:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 27374 invoked from network); 28 May 2000 14:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 May 2000 14:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.197) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 May 2000 14:51:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 73934 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2000 14:51:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000528145100.73933.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.42.154.52 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 May 2000 07:51:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.154.52] To: lojban@egroups.com From: "Jorge Llambias" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 07:51:00 PDT Subject: Re: [lojban] coi rodo - mi'e .aulun. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit la pycyn cusku di'e >I guess arguments don't translate any better than jokes in some cases. The >question Hui asks is literally "From where do you know that,"so that >Chuang's >final "From on the Hao Bridge" is a secondary shot at Hui (and one that >clearly won't go into lb at all, since Hao Bridge would not work as even an >information source, let alone a means to knowledge). Nice! Maybe {ma krasi le nu do djuno} does allow more variation on sources? >This English is the >first time I can remember seeing that "the way I feel" bit from Chuang, but >it doesn't kill the central point. It is just not clear that asking how >(in >whatever way that is put) you do something does not entail that you do do >it. This is what I meant: Chuang: a'a lei finpe to'ojefa'amu'u sutra i la'e di'u pluka lei finpe Hui: i ju'apei go'i i do na finpe This is really what Hui should want to know first, what kind of evidential status Chuang gives to his assertion. Is it his opinion, an observation, hearsay, cultural knowledge? Hui seems to be saying: it can't be experiential knowledge, so what kind of knowledge is it? Chuang's final answer is that it is experiential knowledge after all, but the wordplay in the middle doesn't really strengthen his claim. It is only Hui's poor phrasing of his question that allows Chuang to attribute to Hui a claim to knowledge that he doesn't really want to make. All that Chuang could really ask Hui back is "how do you know that I'm not a fish?", but hopefully Hui could give some good reasons for that. >Well, Chuang, as a good proto-taoist, would probably maintain that he is a >lot closer to fish in a river than he is to the very court-centrered Hui -- >nature v. culture and all. But again, he does not chase down that line but >returns to a better ploy. He may maintain that, but then why is he philosophizing with Hui instead of darting about with the fish? I remain unconvinced. :) co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find long lost high school friends: http://click.egroups.com/1/4056/3/_/17627/_/959525453/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com