From sentto-44114-2641-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Wed May 10 20:09:15 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 26319 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 20:09:12 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 10 May 2000 20:09:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 14093 invoked by uid 40001); 10 May 2000 20:10:10 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 14090 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 20:10:10 -0000 Received: from hi.egroups.com (208.50.144.89) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 10 May 2000 20:10:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2641-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2000 20:10:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 10863 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 20:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 May 2000 20:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out.newmail.net) (212.150.51.26) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 May 2000 20:10:03 -0000 Received: from default ([62.0.167.87]) by out.newmail.net ; Wed, 10 May 2000 23:11:16 +02:00 To: lojban@egroups.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: <95802547601@out.newmail.net> From: "Adam Raizen" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:14:35 +0200 Reply-To: araizen@newmail.net Subject: [lojban] Order of elements Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Concerning the order of grammatical components (and thus perhaps dates), I find it interesting that Lojban is rather idiosyncratic among human languages, and that its idiosyncrasies just happen (purely coincidencidentally, no doubt) to correspond to English's idiosyncrasies. There's no doubt that Lojban is a Subject- Verb-Object language (like English), and thus, as expected, relative clauses tend follow the sumti, and Lojban has prepositions and not postpositions, just as in English. On the other hand, adjectives/seltau normally precede the tertau, and most people seem to put possessives before the noun/sumti, again as in English (and strange for a VO language). Lojban can of course vary this order more easily than English, though. Probably either date format can be defended based on the structure of the rest of the grammar. co'o mi'e adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bids starting at $7 for thousands of products - uBid.com http://click.egroups.com/1/3027/3/_/17627/_/957989408/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com