From sentto-44114-2569-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun May 07 19:37:40 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 21075 invoked from network); 7 May 2000 19:37:36 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 7 May 2000 19:37:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 14782 invoked by uid 40001); 7 May 2000 19:38:35 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 14779 invoked from network); 7 May 2000 19:38:34 -0000 Received: from mw.egroups.com (207.138.41.167) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 7 May 2000 19:38:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2569-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2000 19:38:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 3313 invoked from network); 7 May 2000 19:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 May 2000 19:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.camelot.de) (195.30.224.3) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 May 2000 19:38:32 -0000 Received: from robin.camelot.de (uucp@robin.camelot.de [195.30.224.3]) by mail.camelot.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16172; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:38:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from oas.a2e.de (uucp@localhost) by robin.camelot.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id VAA16168; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:38:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost by wtao97 via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:35:09 +0000 (/etc/localtime) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1999-Nov-8) X-Sender: phm@wtao97.oas.a2e.de To: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" Cc: lojban@egroups.com In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000507144806.00ab24a0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: From: PILCH Hartmut MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:35:09 +0000 (/etc/localtime) Subject: Re: [lojban] centripetal / big endian pattern Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Because of normal language habits. I don't know if German is an exception, > but in every language I know, it is very rare to give time in minutes > without also stating the hour, and time in seconds is never used (which > would be proper "little endian"). We do in English sometimes say "ten > after" or " a quarter till", which still has an marked if unstated hour; we > don't answer what time it is with "10" unless we mean "10 o'clock" (i.e. > hours). Exactly these habits also apply to months and days. One often talks about month/day dates in Chinese, and if one needs to specify the year, one prepends it at the beginning. Btw this is exactly what Lojban tanru do. If you need to be more specific, you prepend another delimiting word. > Internet URLs are designed for computers and are not a human language, > hence are irrelevant. URLs are human language, IP addresses are computer language. > Lojban is not concerned with what "should be". This is not a language > reform project. the question is what is internally consistent with the > language design, which is not optimal nor is it trying to be. Exactly. To me, little endian dates seem inconsistent with the language design of Lojban and consistent with the habits of English. -phm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WRITERS WANTED! Themestream allows ALL writers to publish their articles on the Web, reach thousands of interested readers, and get paid in cash for their work. Click below: http://click.egroups.com/1/3840/3/_/17627/_/957728313/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com