From sentto-44114-2656-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Thu May 11 18:26:28 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 1093 invoked from network); 11 May 2000 18:26:26 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 11 May 2000 18:26:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 9107 invoked by uid 40001); 11 May 2000 18:26:45 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 9103 invoked from network); 11 May 2000 18:26:40 -0000 Received: from hh.egroups.com (208.50.144.88) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 11 May 2000 18:26:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2656-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2000 18:26:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 28586 invoked from network); 11 May 2000 18:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 May 2000 18:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy.cais.net) (205.252.14.63) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 May 2000 18:26:36 -0000 Received: from bob (209-8-89-91.dynamic.cais.com [209.8.89.91]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05463 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000511063957.00adeca0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 To: lojban@egroups.com In-Reply-To: References: From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 06:48:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] Centripetal-centrifugal, little-endian--big-endian, subsets-contents, etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 09:39 PM 05/10/2000 +0000, PILCH Hartmut wrote: > > I am inclined to think that the fact that human languages fairly regularly > > offer centrifugal constructions is itself evidence that the > centripetal-only > > thought pattern is not in fact the rule. > >The European languages are a tiny minority on the planet, but they have, >not through language design merits, marginalised most of the others. Human languages are not designed, and are absolutely equal in terms of "design merits". > > And, of course, none of this decides the structure of dates, since it is > > equally possible (and, to me, more natural) to take the year as the > name of a > > set and a month as specifying a subset within that set and the day as > > specifying a unit subset within that and thus get dmy again but as a > > centripetal structure. > >You mean something like > > the year 2001 . > which year 20001 ? > the year 2001 of the 5th month . > of which month 5 ? > the year 2001 of the 5th month of the 20th day . No. You are using English language to talk about set membership, and that requires the subset first, hence as he said dmy results. >but I fail to assign this any meaning. Because you tried to express English as ymd, and it doesn't work. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org (newly updated!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WRITERS WANTED! Themestream allows ALL writers to publish their articles on the Web, reach thousands of interested readers, and get paid in cash for their work. Click below: http://click.egroups.com/1/3840/3/_/17627/_/958069598/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com