From sentto-44114-2902-959891209-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Thu Jun 01 20:25:14 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 32498 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2000 20:25:12 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2000 20:25:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 2558 invoked by uid 40001); 1 Jun 2000 20:26:59 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 2555 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2000 20:26:56 -0000 Received: from ej.egroups.com (208.50.144.75) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2000 20:26:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2902-959891209-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2000 20:26:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 21260 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2000 20:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Jun 2000 20:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2000 20:26:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 32394 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2000 20:26:49 -0000 Received: from n11.onelist.org (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by iqg.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2000 20:26:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Received: from [10.1.10.30] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2000 20:26:48 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Message-ID: <8h6gu1+s54n@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Alfred_W._T=FCting?=" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 20:26:41 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: rafsi - the Lakhota way? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > JCB's official story, I remember, was that he got the idea from German,=20 > where, he claims a German friend told him, no one needs a dictionary, because=20 > all the words bear their meaning on their face. In German you can get away=20 > with pretty much running two words (or twenty) together unchanged... In German, there are no rafsi-like pieces (i.e. smaller parts of root words). But like in Hungarian, one is able to add lots of=20 different pre- and affixes to a root word, thus creating many different words - yet(!) usually you are not allowed to create *new*=20 words using this method! - I'm talking of examples like: kommen (come), be-kommen (get), auf-kommen (get up, arise etc.),=20 aus-kommen (come out, break out - animal etc., get along with - friends etc., do without ...), vorkommen (come infront, occur, it=20 seems to me ...). You might realize that one has to learn each single expression to really get the meaning of it (so you indeed will=20 have need of a dictionary). Creating *new* words and expressions is like in Chinese, Hungarian - but one only is allowed to connect entire words (because=20 there aren't rafsi-like pieces!). What JCB's friend might have had in mind most probably referred to the homogeneous vocabulary of German (Hungarian and lots of=20 other languages too): e.g. K=F6nig/kiraly (king), Koenigin/kiralyn=F6 (queen), k=F6niglich/kiralyi (royal) etc. All German words "bear their meaning on their face": Yes, if you know the word ;-) (like in every language you're familiar with!). There's a nice Yiddish joke: "Tate (Daddy), for what reason are Lokshe called by 'Lokshe' (kind of noodle dish)?" And the son's=20 father replied: "'Yingele' (my little boy/son), they look like Lokshe, they smell like Lokshe, they taste like Lokshe - why shouldn't=20 they then also be called by 'Lokshe'?!" But it's true: psycho-linguistically, every word you're familiar with in language, is bearing a special 'face'. E.g. pronouncing=20 German 'Blitz' evokes a different picture in my mind than pronouncing the English word 'lightning'! (a sudden zig-zag vs. a short=20 shine of light in the sky). co'o mi'e .aulun. BTW, like in Lojban, in Lakhota there is only I and you (mi, do), but he/she/it is expressed by different means. = =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WRITERS WANTED! Themestream allows ALL writers to publish their=20 articles on the Web, reach thousands of interested readers, and get=20 paid in cash for their work. Click below: http://click.egroups.com/1/3840/3/_/17627/_/959891203/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com