From sentto-44114-3046-960927986-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Tue Jun 13 20:23:47 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 18692 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2000 20:23:46 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 20:23:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 5100 invoked by uid 40001); 13 Jun 2000 20:26:28 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 5097 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2000 20:26:27 -0000 Received: from ef.egroups.com (207.138.41.172) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 20:26:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-3046-960927986-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.37] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2000 20:26:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 11376 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2000 20:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Jun 2000 20:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 20:25:51 -0000 Received: from calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15439 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006132026.QAA15439@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> To: lojban@egroups.com In-Reply-To: Message from "Jorge Llambias" of "Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:20:17 PDT." <20000613202017.99646.qmail@hotmail.com> X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:26:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lujvo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Jorge Llambias" writes: >I also don't see what could be offensive about {lo mamta be lo cevni} >= "a mother of a god" and similar expressions, but then people do >tend to be touchy about godly matters. Whether one believes the >expression could truly apply to something in the world is a different >question from whether the expression makes sense. lo LE the really is veridical descriptor: the one(s) that really is(are) ... The implication is that the speaker is insisting that such a thing really is. Note that the specific vector of offense for me would be if someone used a generic expression like that ("one or more mothers of one or more gods") to refer specifically to Christianity and its mythology. The all-too-common assumption by Christians that their religion is the only relevant one pisses me off. -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. ... stripped of our uniqueness as human beings by Darwin, exposed to our own inadequacies by Freud, ... Power -- "the ability to bring about our desires" -- is all that we have left. --- Michael Korda, _Power!_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vegas, Baby! Great deals on airfare, hotels and car rentals from Expedia.com! http://click.egroups.com/1/5206/3/_/17627/_/960927956/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com