From sentto-44114-3066-960989443-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Wed Jun 14 13:28:02 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 19997 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2000 13:28:01 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 13:28:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 6213 invoked by uid 40001); 14 Jun 2000 13:30:46 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 6210 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2000 13:30:45 -0000 Received: from ho.egroups.com (208.50.144.85) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 13:30:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-3066-960989443-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.36] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2000 13:30:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 12644 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2000 13:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Jun 2000 13:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 13:30:38 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@skunk.reutershealth.com [204.243.9.153]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29905 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Sender: cowan@mail.reutershealth.com Message-ID: <394788EF.6DE0DE95@reutershealth.com> Organization: Reuters Health Information X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: "lojban@onelist.com" References: <200006140536.BAA29087@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> From: John Cowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:30:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lujvo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robin Lee Powell wrote: > I would have read "lo > [dragon] klama" as ipmyling something like "Some dragons, oh, by the > way, dragons really exist, go", which is apparently wrong. So I take it > all back. :) The problem with that is the notion "really exist". As Ray Smullyan says, you can no more examine a chair and tell if it is "real" than you can examine a window and tell if it is going to be broken in a few hours. Reality is the dream-state we don't wake up from (except perhaps when we are dead, who knows). But yes, predicating something about dragons implicitly asserts that there are dragons to predicate about. -- Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! || John Cowan Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || http://www.reutershealth.com Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WRITERS WANTED! Themestream allows ALL writers to publish their articles on the Web, reach thousands of interested readers, and get paid in cash for their work. Click below: http://click.egroups.com/1/3840/3/_/17627/_/960989412/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com