From sentto-44114-3105-961167565-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Fri Jun 16 14:57:35 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 23304 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2000 14:57:34 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 16 Jun 2000 14:57:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 6666 invoked by uid 40001); 16 Jun 2000 14:59:29 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 6662 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2000 14:59:29 -0000 Received: from mk.egroups.com (207.138.41.165) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 16 Jun 2000 14:59:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-3105-961167565-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.37] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2000 14:59:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 32408 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2000 14:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Jun 2000 14:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.oltronics.net) (204.213.85.8) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2000 14:59:19 -0000 Received: from neofelis (root@localhost) by mail.oltronics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA06270 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:59:16 -0400 X-BlackMail: 207.15.133.11, neofelis, , 207.15.133.11 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 10:59:16(EDT) on June 16, 2000 To: lojban@egroups.com X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] References: <20000615232829.1697.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000615232829.1697.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-Id: <00061522260004.00980@neofelis> From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:57:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: mi zo'a klama Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Jorge Llambias wrote: >la pycyn cusku di'e > >>I take {za'o} to mean over-completion of the the described event -"He kept >>on >>building the hosue" means he kept building after the house was done. > >Right, as long as he was still doing some building of the >house. > >>So here >>you keep going after Pineville is passed. > >But he is no longer going _to Pineville_! How can he keep >going there if he is no longer going there? I don't think >{za'o klama py} can be the same as {klama lo bancu be py}. I think that the natural end of going to Pineville is Pineville, so "mi za'o klama py" means "I go past P". The difference between "za'o klama" and "klama lo bancu" is that in the former, you intended to stop but kept going, which the latter does not imply. If you want to specify where you actually end up, you can say "mi klama la Rak Xil za'o le nu mi klama la Painvil". (I was going to say "klamu'o", but that would imply that the going was complete at RH, which it wasn't - it was complete at P, but I kept going.) For "I keep going out of habit", I would say "mi za'o ta'e klama" - "mi ta'e za'o klama" would mean "I am in the habit of going too far". To distinguish "I went past Pineville" from "I took too long to get to Pineville", you could say "mi fe'e za'o klama la Painvil" for the former. phma ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Missing old school friends? Find them here: http://click.egroups.com/1/5534/3/_/17627/_/961167530/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com