From sentto-44114-2921-960044644-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sat Jun 03 15:02:10 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 2515 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2000 15:02:09 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 3 Jun 2000 15:02:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 13742 invoked by uid 40001); 3 Jun 2000 15:04:06 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 13739 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2000 15:04:06 -0000 Received: from fg.egroups.com (208.50.144.70) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 3 Jun 2000 15:04:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2921-960044644-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2000 15:04:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 21991 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2000 15:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Jun 2000 15:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo14.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.4) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Jun 2000 15:04:04 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id a.a2.5327fbb (2617) for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: lojban@egroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:04:00 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Why constructed languages? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 00-06-03 09:48:24 EDT, aulun wrote: << I'd be interested in hearing your opinions. E.g., was Lojban/Loglan inventor's idea similar to Zamenhof's? (Z.'s 'Esperanto' was the *Hope* getting people(s) united in freedom, peace and 'understanding'. >> Nope! He originally (and to the end, officially) designed the language as a tool for testing the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis (roughly that certain features of the language you speak determine/limit/affect the view of the world you inhabit). This early got hooked up with computerites in one way or another: I proposed using Loglan as an interlingua for machine translation in 1961 and I may not have been the first, others have sugested Loglans for spoken computer programming languages at various levels , still other have suggested it as an auxiliary language for special projects where lack of ambiguity is desirable along with the possibility for normal conversation (patent law got the most attention recently). I don't off-hand know anyone who (publicly) advocates a Loglan for an Esperantoish role across the board. And, while some people might think that talking a logical language and one without built-in cultural biases would make for a less hostile world, no one has (publicly) claimed this sort of result -- rational discussion instead of fiery rhetoric at the peace table, for example -- would surely flow from adopting a Loglan for general or diplomatic use. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WRITERS WANTED! Themestream allows ALL writers to publish their articles on the Web, reach thousands of interested readers, and get paid in cash for their work. Click below: http://click.egroups.com/1/3840/3/_/17627/_/960044635/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com