From sentto-44114-3211-961893802-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun Jun 25 00:39:55 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 4299 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2000 00:39:54 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 25 Jun 2000 00:39:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 8416 invoked by uid 40001); 25 Jun 2000 00:43:24 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 8411 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2000 00:43:24 -0000 Received: from ck.egroups.com (208.50.144.69) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 25 Jun 2000 00:43:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-3211-961893802-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.37] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2000 00:43:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 10943 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2000 00:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Jun 2000 00:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r11.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.65) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Jun 2000 00:43:22 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id a.7f.625d5ec (9243) for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7f.625d5ec.2686afa3@aol.com> To: lojban@egroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:43:15 EDT Subject: [lojban] PLEA: Chinese names Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the risk of starting the discussion again, can I declare that, lacking the selcmene to pick their own, we base Chinese names (and titles) as much as possible on the best information we have about actual pronunciation -- Mandarin in general, other dialects if we know them to apply. This involves usually (i.e., for Mandarin) taking the tense/lax as voiceless/voiced, the retroflex fricatives and affricates as palatal, /ng/ as /n/ (and maybe /n/ as /m/ in final position), syllabic fricatves (including r) as vowel free where possible, with /y/ where a vowel is necessary (or /r/ in the case of the retroflex fricatives), and let the vowels duke it out as best we can -- downplaying /y/ in favor of pinyin spelling (or some alternative) just to keep some contrasts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! 1. Fill in the brief application 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR http://click.egroups.com/1/5197/4/_/17627/_/961893803/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com