From sentto-44114-2940-960144184-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun Jun 04 18:41:05 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 4283 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2000 18:41:04 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 4 Jun 2000 18:41:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 25066 invoked by uid 40001); 4 Jun 2000 18:43:06 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 25063 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2000 18:43:06 -0000 Received: from ml.egroups.com (208.50.144.77) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 4 Jun 2000 18:43:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2940-960144184-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.36] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2000 19:43:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 18875 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2000 18:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Jun 2000 18:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r16.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.70) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jun 2000 18:43:01 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id a.4c.654a977 (3924) for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4c.654a977.266bfd24@aol.com> To: lojban@egroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:42:44 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Again: transcription of Chinese cmene Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 00-06-04 09:42:22 EDT, aulun writes: << la bei,djin. i. la sh,djin. (la sh,djin. cukta loi pemci... ???) >> No /sh/ in lojban, just /c/, and I don't think it can be syllabic. So, that would give /cdjin/, which is illegal as a mixture of voiced and voiceless (fortes and lenues) and so requires a breaker /y/. I am not sure that /cydjin/ is all that bad, although it hurts Chinese ears, even for those eyes used to see /i/ or /e/ or /u/ there. The other vowels remain a problem, too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! http://click.egroups.com/1/2567/3/_/17627/_/960144172/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com