From sentto-44114-2950-960243667-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Mon Jun 05 22:19:05 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 6089 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2000 22:19:04 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 5 Jun 2000 22:19:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 12917 invoked by uid 40001); 5 Jun 2000 22:21:10 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 12914 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2000 22:21:10 -0000 Received: from mq.egroups.com (207.138.41.138) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 5 Jun 2000 22:21:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2950-960243667-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2000 22:21:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 2646 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2000 22:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Jun 2000 22:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scrabble.freeuk.net) (212.126.144.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Jun 2000 22:21:05 -0000 Received: from [212.126.153.16] (helo=rrbcurnow.freeuk.com ident=root) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12z5F1-0002fE-00 for lojban@egroups.com; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 23:21:04 +0100 Received: from richard by rrbcurnow.freeuk.com with local (Exim 2.02 #2) id 12z5E9-0000CN-00 for lojban@egroups.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:20:09 +0100 To: lojban@egroups.com Message-ID: <20000605232009.A759@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@egroups.com References: <200006041853.OAA13654@locke.ccil.org> <00e501bfce8b$5bed0820$2f75bad0@cjnelson> User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <00e501bfce8b$5bed0820$2f75bad0@cjnelson>; from cjnelson@CYBCON.COM on Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 06:14:10PM -0700 From: Richard Curnow MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:20:09 +0100 Reply-To: Richard Curnow Subject: Re: [lojban] (Technical) Problem area in v3 grammar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 06:14:10PM -0700, Clark & Janiece Nelson wrote: > On the other hand, John's modification would make true the statement > from The Complete Lojban Language, chapter 10, section 27: "It is > grammatical for a termset to be placed after a tense or modal tag," thus > removing a contradiction from the Book. > More thoughts ... I tried the example in the book that follows the statement : la frank. sanli zu'a nu'i la djordj. lu'a lo mitre be li mu nu'u and interestingly it does parse already! - although, the zu'a is parsed as a single term (i.e. a floating tense), rather than a tag applying to the following nu'i..nu'u termset. So if you use John's 'tag termset' construction with the existing grammar, you don't get the meaning you think you're getting. Hence, the extra grammar rule is necessary to make this construct useful as a fix for the problem I originally raised. (If you really want zu'a to be a floating tense in the above example, you'd have to put ku afterwards.) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard P. Curnow rpc@myself.com Weston-super-Mare United Kingdom http://www.rrbcurnow.freeuk.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WRITERS WANTED! Themestream allows ALL writers to publish their articles on the Web, reach thousands of interested readers, and get paid in cash for their work. Click below: http://click.egroups.com/1/3840/3/_/17627/_/960243653/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com