From pycyn@aol.com Sat Jun 17 17:16:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19877 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2000 00:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Jun 2000 00:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo15.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.5) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jun 2000 00:16:42 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id a.bd.45ae71e (3927) for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:16:30 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] A defense of dead horse beating To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 3152 In a message dated 00-06-17 19:30:27 EDT, xorxes writes: << As an example, I still haven't been able to figure out a comfortable way of saying "even", as in "even the cat wants to go". >> Stop me if I've said this before. (too late) That even means 1) everybody else is doing it 2) the cat is doing it, 3) I'm surprised the cat is doing it. I think that 3 (with 2) of course is the crucial part, so just a good surprise mark ought to do in most situations. Maybe strategically placed: {le mlatu ue cu gasnu} <> It is not quite that it has nothing to do with that, only that that is not the important thing. The important thing is specific v. general and then the specific, since we (or at least the speaker) know what we're talking about, does not HAVE TO (but usually does anyhow) meet the strictest standards (after all, the best reason for calling something a broda is that it is one). But it is good to have that point driven home every once in a while, even if we have to go through the damned unicorn problems again (and I still like the intensional context solution for that -- or the later places of {zasti}). Can we set up a RECORD to call up after a day or two on this one. And we still need a few go'rounds on {loi}. And most other things that have to wait for real speakers to settle. (Baselining is just to allow some real speakers to emerge, after all.)