From jcowan@reutershealth.com Wed Jun 14 06:30:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12644 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2000 13:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Jun 2000 13:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 13:30:38 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@skunk.reutershealth.com [204.243.9.153]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29905 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Sender: cowan@mail.reutershealth.com Message-ID: <394788EF.6DE0DE95@reutershealth.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:30:23 -0400 Organization: Reuters Health Information X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "lojban@onelist.com" Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lujvo References: <200006140536.BAA29087@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 3064 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > I would have read "lo > [dragon] klama" as ipmyling something like "Some dragons, oh, by the > way, dragons really exist, go", which is apparently wrong. So I take it > all back. :) The problem with that is the notion "really exist". As Ray Smullyan says, you can no more examine a chair and tell if it is "real" than you can examine a window and tell if it is going to be broken in a few hours. Reality is the dream-state we don't wake up from (except perhaps when we are dead, who knows). But yes, predicating something about dragons implicitly asserts that there are dragons to predicate about. -- Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! || John Cowan Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || http://www.reutershealth.com Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer)