From sentto-44114-3180-961548873-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Wed Jun 21 00:51:24 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 30503 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2000 00:51:23 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 21 Jun 2000 00:51:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 11672 invoked by uid 40001); 21 Jun 2000 00:54:36 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 11669 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2000 00:54:36 -0000 Received: from ci.egroups.com (207.138.41.176) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 21 Jun 2000 00:54:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-3180-961548873-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2000 00:54:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 20979 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2000 00:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Jun 2000 00:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.50) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Jun 2000 00:54:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 95809 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jun 2000 00:54:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000621005429.95808.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.42.153.114 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:54:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.153.114] To: lojban@egroups.com From: "Jorge Llambias" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:54:29 PDT Subject: Re: [lojban] xirli'u selsanga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit la aulun cusku di'e >I've put your translation of "Cancion de Jinete" onto my site >http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/GARCIA.RXML and also added an audio >sample (I'm not too sure if the pronunciation is okay: .O'e but >.o'Enai?). Cmavo can be stressed very freely. I tend to say o'eNAI. >BTW, zo'u darno .o'enai: 1) Is it possible to put a brivla (gismu) >together with an attitudinal? (I'd think so) Yes, attitudinals can go almost anywhere. >2) darno refers to Cordoba - >doesn't o'enai refer to the speaker?? (not to Cordoba!) darno refers to both the speaker and Cordoba, it's the relationship between them. In Lojban this is clearly a relationship, but I think the original also suggests that. We don't seem to have (yet) any word for lonely, and I didn't want to use a monster cryptic lujvo there, so I went with an attitudinal. "Lejana y sola" of course refers to Cordoba, but what the poet says and what the poet expresses are not always the same thing, right? I certainly felt that it was the speaker projecting his lonelyness. My first impulse was to use i'inai, the opposite of "togetherness", but this turns out not to be loneliness but privacy! Ideas for "lonely", anyone? co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY! http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/3/_/17627/_/961548829/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com