From sentto-44114-3058-960942044-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Wed Jun 14 00:18:05 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 19044 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2000 00:18:03 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 00:18:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 14237 invoked by uid 40001); 14 Jun 2000 00:20:46 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 14234 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2000 00:20:46 -0000 Received: from hn.egroups.com (208.50.144.84) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 00:20:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-3058-960942044-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2000 00:20:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 5394 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2000 00:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Jun 2000 00:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.oltronics.net) (204.213.85.8) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 00:20:43 -0000 Received: from neofelis (root@localhost) by mail.oltronics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17325 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:20:39 -0400 X-BlackMail: 207.15.133.45, neofelis, , 207.15.133.45 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 20:20:39(EDT) on June 13, 2000 To: lojban@egroups.com X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] References: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0006132020430M.00952@neofelis> From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:10:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lujvo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Invent Yourself wrote: >On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > >> I think I maybe just misunderstand lo. To me, 'lo cevni' sounds like >> the English phrase 'the One True God(s)', which has a _huge_ mess of >> underlying assumptions, many of which ignore the beliefs of 2/3s or so >> of the planet, at least, depending on which god you're reffering to. >> >> Any set of unexamined assumptions that denigrate that many people >> offends me (a lot of the assumptions westerners make about fat people >> and health issues related to that, for example), but the fact that it's >> about religion may make it more touchy. Or maybe it's just because >> no-one ever stopped me in the street to scream "All fat people are going >> to die of heart attacks!", whereas having strangers yell at me that >> "Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the light!"" has happened so >> often as to be almost commonplace. > > >If a Christian really believes there is only one True God, it behooves >them to use "lo" to indicate their absolute belief. It is not a relative, >questionable point of debate for them. The fact that you don't happen to >agree is irrelevant to them. "Lo cevni" could equally well mean "the god", "the gods", or "a god", as long as the beings referred to are gods. "Lo pa cevni" implies that there is only one god; I would take the phrase as equivalent to "la Jegvon", but there are other religions that assert that there is one god, who is someone else (such as Aten). phma ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Phone bills too big? Don't worry, beMANY! http://click.egroups.com/1/4113/3/_/17627/_/960942014/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com