From sentto-44114-2953-960265946-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Tue Jun 06 04:30:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 6541 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2000 04:30:29 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 6 Jun 2000 04:30:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 25334 invoked by uid 40001); 6 Jun 2000 04:32:28 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 25331 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2000 04:32:28 -0000 Received: from fh.egroups.com (208.50.144.71) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 6 Jun 2000 04:32:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2953-960265946-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2000 04:32:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 23781 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2000 04:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Jun 2000 04:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-5.cais.net) (205.252.14.75) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Jun 2000 04:32:25 -0000 Received: from bob (209-8-89-136.dynamic.cais.com [209.8.89.136]) by stmpy-5.cais.net (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e564WNX23544 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:32:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lojbab@lojban.org) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000606001958.00abae60@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 To: lojban@egroups.com In-Reply-To: <20000605214756.A431@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> References: <00e501bfce8b$5bed0820$2f75bad0@cjnelson> <200006041853.OAA13654@locke.ccil.org> <00e501bfce8b$5bed0820$2f75bad0@cjnelson> From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 00:33:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] (Technical) Problem area in v3 grammar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 09:47 PM 06/05/2000 +0100, Richard Curnow wrote: >On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 06:14:10PM -0700, Clark & Janiece Nelson wrote: > > > Richard Curnow scripsit: > > > > > > > Having had another day to think about this, I think John's suggested > > > > modification to grammar.300 provides more generality than is > > actually > > > > required to fix the problem. > > > > > > > On the other hand, John's modification would make true the statement > > from The Complete Lojban Language, chapter 10, section 27: "It is > > grammatical for a termset to be placed after a tense or modal tag," thus > > removing a contradiction from the Book. > >Yes indeed - I hadn't noticed that statement in the book in the context >of this issue before. Also, in the light of John's email yesterday >showing how my minimal scheme would introduce two distinct uses for >nu'i, it's pretty clear that John's method is the right one to adopt. I figure it is about time to step in and say something, because this problem has put us on new and uncertain ground and I have passed it to the LLG Board to decide the baseline policy issue pertaining to this problem. Note that, even if it is the "right solution", there is likely to be considerable debate amongst the Board as to whether we should break the baseline to make the fix official, indeed especially since the change is so incidental that it sounds like people are on the point of classifying it like one of several other unfortunate inconsistencies in the Book. (Erroneous parses, on the other hand are a significantly undesirable situation, so nothing is cut and dried). It is possible that the change may be left as an unofficial possible-solution to be tried out until the baseline period is over. Or it may remain in limbo until/unless we can publish a 2nd edition of the Book. (There may have to be consideration for the perhaps 20% of our purchasers who have bought copies through bookstores or otherwise indirectly, who we could not contact with a correction/errata on the necessary change to the book baseline, which some might feel an essential requirement for us if we change the baseline officially.) People are welcome to continue to explore ramifications of the problem and its possible solutions, but the impact of this problem and its potential solution on the baseline policy, if any, will be dealt with separately from the technical issue itself. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WRITERS WANTED! 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