From sentto-44114-3443-962915127-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Thu Jul 06 20:23:40 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 14601 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2000 20:23:39 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 6 Jul 2000 20:23:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 12455 invoked by uid 40001); 6 Jul 2000 20:25:29 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 12452 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2000 20:25:29 -0000 Received: from ho.egroups.com (208.50.99.200) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 6 Jul 2000 20:25:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-3443-962915127-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.36] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2000 20:25:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 23456 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2000 20:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Jul 2000 20:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO locke.ccil.org) (192.190.237.102) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Jul 2000 20:25:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (cowan@localhost) by locke.ccil.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA24509; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:01:48 -0400 (EDT) To: And Rosta Cc: lojban@egroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: "which?" (was: RE: [lojban] centripetality: subset vs component Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, And Rosta wrote: > BTW, does nonveridicality extend to the end of the sumti? That is, > in "le broda poi brode", is "brode" nonveridical? I was assuming, > perhaps incorrectly, that "le mo broda" is approximately equivalent > to "le broda poi mo", but if it is in fact instead approximately > equivalent to "le broda voi mo", then of course my suggestion is > useless. This distinction is made by having two attachment points for relative clauses: inside the descriptor (lo broda poi brode ku) and outside (lo broda ku poi brode). The former is the default, since elidable terminators are inserted only when they absolutely must be, i.e. as late as possible. Of course, this is a distinction without a difference unless the description and the relative clause introducers disagree in veridicality or some other such property. > As for "xomoi", which I see in a different thread, I don't understand > it and have not come across a decent explanation of it. But it sounds > promising. "You see here door number one, door number two, and door number three. Which [xomoi] door do you choose?" In any choice situation in which the choices are or plausibly could be numbered, "xomoi" is reasonable for "which?". -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org "You need a change: try Canada" "You need a change: try China" --fortune cookies opened by a couple that I know ------------------------------------------------------------------------ High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY! http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/4/_/17627/_/962915125/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com