From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 17:28:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25835 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2000 00:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Jul 2000 00:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.235) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jul 2000 00:28:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 72462 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jul 2000 00:28:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000718002801.72461.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.42.154.71 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:28:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.154.71] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: Swearing with tanru [was : Re: "which?" (was: RE: [lojban] centripetality: subset vs component] Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:28:01 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 3652 la robin cusku di'e >OTOH, since it's a lujvo, I >suppose we don't have to be so fussy about place structure as we do with >tanru. I think we should be fussy about lujvo place structures if we feel like it. The fussier we are the easier they will be to understand for someone who has never seen the word before. I think {mabla} is not terribly well defined in the giu'uste. If we take its definition literally, it is not a derogatory word, but rather a word meaning "derogatory", i.e. the x1 is not something that you want to deprecate, but rather it is a connotation of word/phrase x2 (or more strangely, a connotation of something that is not a word/phrase). I think the "true" definition of mabla is something like "x1 is deprecated in property x2 by x3", something like: ta mabla le ka bebna "That one is a fucking idiot." And not: le te skicu be ta cu mabla zoy gy fucking idiot gy The description of that one is a derogatory connotation of the words "fucking idiot". or something like that which is how {mabla} should work according to its gi'uste definition. co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com