From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Jul 15 08:42:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8376 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2000 15:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Jul 2000 15:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.225) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jul 2000 15:42:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 40042 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2000 15:42:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000715154207.40041.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.42.154.163 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:42:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.154.163] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Opposite of za'o Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:42:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 3618 la ivAn cusku di'e >You explain and explain --> the audience >understands. Right, once the audience understood, what goes on after is just going through the motions. You can also be going through the motions before the audience even begins to understand, before the "natural beginning" of the explanation, "he was explaining the problem for too long before starting to explain it". >You put brick >on brick --> a house makes an appearance. You excavate and then fill up the holes, you move the bricks form here to there, you build a wall and tear it down, lots of building activity but no sign of the house yet. >Hence my >interpretation of {za'o}: process continues after its effect >is obtained. And it has a counterpart in a process that occurs before its effectiveness kicks in. co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com