From iad@MATH.BAS.BG Mon Jul 03 08:09:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25013 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2000 15:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Jul 2000 15:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO argo.bas.bg) (195.96.224.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jul 2000 15:08:56 -0000 Received: from banmatpc.math.bas.bg (root@banmatpc.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.2]) by argo.bas.bg (8.11.0.Beta1/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id e63F8rO17456 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:08:53 +0300 Received: from iad.math.bas.bg (iad.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.88]) by banmatpc.math.bas.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07395 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:08:53 +0300 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3960984E.AE29FF55@math.bas.bg> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:42:38 +0300 X-Mozilla-Draft-Info: internal/draft; vcard=0; receipt=0; uuencode=0; html=0; linewidth=0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] bacrynandu drata drata drata References: <20000701195854.24067.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ivan A Derzhanski X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 3385 Lojban is a great language for tongue-twisters, but ... michael helsem wrote: > tisna fala tsani le cnita tsina lo tinci tinsa [...] > le dzena tsani cu zdile stali ... these don't twist my tongue as much as the others that have been posted -- I pronounce {ts}, {tc}, {dz} and {dj} as affricates, which I don't perceive as closely related to the dental stops or the homorganic fricatives, so what it takes to make a tongue-twister (many occurrences of the same sounds in different combinations) is just not there. Is that an effect of having a Slavic mouth, I wonder? --Ivan