From sentto-44114-3381-962609491-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Mon Jul 03 07:30:02 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 9632 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2000 07:30:01 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 3 Jul 2000 07:30:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 8832 invoked by uid 40001); 3 Jul 2000 07:31:36 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 8829 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2000 07:31:36 -0000 Received: from ml.egroups.com (208.50.144.77) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 3 Jul 2000 07:31:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-3381-962609491-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.36] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2000 08:31:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 5474 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2000 07:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Jul 2000 07:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-4.cais.net) (205.252.14.74) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jul 2000 07:31:30 -0000 Received: from bob (7.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.7]) by stmpy-4.cais.net (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e637VT413670 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 03:31:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lojbab@lojban.org) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000703032712.00b19ae0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: lojban/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 To: In-Reply-To: References: <20000629041906.39746.qmail@hotmail.com> From: Robert LeChevalier MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 03:31:40 -0400 Subject: RE: [lojban] Complements and adjuncts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 09:49 AM 07/02/2000 +0100, Colin Fine wrote: >I guess what I am asking is whether >ta xelflaka'i be la kalifornias ra'i la ilinOIs >and >ta xelflaka'i la kalifornias ra'i la ilinOIs >are synonymous, or does the structural difference have a semantic correlate? Without trying to deal with your overall question, I believe it has been stated that these two are synonymous, in that the explicit use of "be" does not change the meaning. There are too many ways in which it could be made necessary to express the "be" to have the meaning be different (e.g. using "co" in a tanru or turning the bridi into a sumti on x1). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. http://click.egroups.com/1/6137/4/_/17627/_/962609492/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com