From sentto-44114-3430-962879457-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Thu Jul 06 10:29:12 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 13892 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2000 10:29:10 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 6 Jul 2000 10:29:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 21672 invoked by uid 40001); 6 Jul 2000 10:30:59 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 21669 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2000 10:30:58 -0000 Received: from c9.egroups.com (207.138.41.187) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 6 Jul 2000 10:30:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-3430-962879457-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2000 10:30:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 16984 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2000 10:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Jul 2000 10:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postfix1.free.fr) (212.27.32.21) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Jul 2000 10:30:56 -0000 Received: from paris11-nas7-53-172.dial.proxad.net (paris11-nas7-53-172.dial.proxad.net [212.27.53.172]) by postfix1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4394B280B3 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:30:52 +0200 (MEST) X-Sender: elrond@dong.n To: Lojban List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: Elrond MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:19:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Incidental sumti (was: Re: [lojban] Vocabulary) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I found a solution to my own problem: ko'a .eta'o lu'a A ce B ce C cu broda like in: la fasbau .eta'o lu'a la glibau ce la dotbau cu bangu Depending on the intended meaning, "ji'a" and/or "si'a" could be added to "ta'o"... However, this does not keep the "A B C are also examples of sumti in the cu broda-ing situation" meaning. is "mu'a" truly an attitudinal (in the sense that I can insert it without changing the grammar of what surrounds it) ? thanks for any comments. co'o > Here is an example: > > French, "incidentally along" English, Spanish and German, is a language. > This "incidentally along" is also a "together with", but the fact that "A, > B,C" cu broda, too, is mentioned only as mere *information*. It says, > "hey, by the way, A B and C cu broda, too, if you wanted to know" and > optionally (i.e. if the reader wants it to read it this way, while the > writer didn't actually want to put this meaning in it) also "how > interesting, ko'a is not the only one in its cu broda-ing situation". > > As a corollary to the preceeding explanation, IMHO, a separate bridi > stating that "A B C ji'a cu broda" gives far too much importance to this > "informational" fact, which does not really have any impact on the rest of > the discourse. > > My problem here is probably that I need some form of "noi" that adds > incidental, additional sumti to the standard places of a single selbri, > instead of adding incidental selbri to a sumti. A miss in Lojban ? Is > there any operator that could apply a selbri on all the elements of a set > giving most importance to the first element, or anything similar ? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Who invented Gatorade -- and what part did it play in winning the1967 Orange Bowl? Find out the true facts at http://click.egroups.com/1/6212/4/_/17627/_/962879456/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com