From sentto-44114-3535-963251482-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Mon Jul 10 17:49:35 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 21249 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2000 17:49:34 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 17:49:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 29395 invoked by uid 40001); 10 Jul 2000 17:51:33 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 29391 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2000 17:51:33 -0000 Received: from ml.egroups.com (208.50.144.77) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 17:51:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-3535-963251482-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.36] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2000 18:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 6986 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2000 17:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Jul 2000 17:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 17:51:11 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@skunk.reutershealth.com [204.243.9.153]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26969; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Sender: cowan@mail.reutershealth.com Message-ID: <396A0C8F.2D0FEED5@reutershealth.com> Organization: Reuters Health Information X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: And Rosta , "lojban@onelist.com" References: From: John Cowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:49:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] A defense of dead horse beating Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And Rosta wrote: > Hold on, though. I can't think what use {da voi broda} would > be, but surely it's not the same as {su'o le broda}, because > the latter entails that there is a referent for {le broda}. I think they are the same, and both entail a referent. Using "da" = "there exists at-least-one" surely means that it has a referent. > And isn't {ro lo broda} merely the same as {lo broda}? No, lo broda is su'o lo broda. OTOH, le broda is ro le broda. > I still don't see a gadri-based way of getting (the admittedly > useless) {da voi broda}, though, which, after all, is not a bad > thing. Hmm. What do you think "da voi broda" means, that would make it useless? -- Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! || John Cowan Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || http://www.reutershealth.com Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com: http://click.egroups.com/1/5530/4/_/17627/_/963251482/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com