From sentto-44114-3449-962930887-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Fri Jul 07 00:46:19 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 14912 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 00:46:18 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 00:46:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 21187 invoked by uid 40001); 7 Jul 2000 00:48:08 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 21184 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 00:48:08 -0000 Received: from hk.egroups.com (208.50.144.91) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 00:48:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-3449-962930887-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.36] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2000 00:48:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 30175 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 00:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Jul 2000 00:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.63) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 00:48:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 34365 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2000 00:48:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000707004806.34364.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.42.154.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 17:48:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.154.3] To: lojban@egroups.com From: "Jorge Llambias" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 17:48:06 PDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Opposite of za'o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit la ivAn cusku di'e >Jorge Llambias wrote: > > If we can make a distinction between "event discontinues process" > > and a "process brings forth event", I don't see why we can't > > distinguish "event brings forth process" from "process leaves > > event behind", distinguishing a mere circumstantial start from > > an actual birth or origination. > >But that would involve no causality, merely the coincidence >of two times (of the event and of the start of the process), >because a process can't cause something except by having gone >on for a while, and that is already covered by {mo'u}. Not physical causality, of course, but what gets called the origin or initiation may be a consequence of the process occurring, i.e. we could not talk of there having been a begining unless the process has been going on for a while. This is really the only sense in which a process "brings forth" the culmination event anyway, isn't it? >Which may imply that {co'a} is {za'o}'s mirror, in the sense >of being the symmetrically allocated item in the sequence >{pu'o -- co'a -- ca'o -- mu'o -- za'o -- co'u -- ba'o}. I suppose you meant {ca'o} as {za'o}'s mirror. Only if we place the mirror at {mu'o}. But if we placed it at {ca'o} (I think a more natural placing), we have: pu'o - co'a - xxx - xxx - ca'o - mu'o - za'o - co'u - ba'o where the xxx's are the mirror images of {za'o} and {mu'o}. co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @Backup- Protect and Access your data any time, any where on the net. Try @Backup FREE and receive 300 points from mypoints.com Install now: http://click.egroups.com/1/6346/4/_/17627/_/962930884/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com