From sentto-44114-3492-963077266-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sat Jul 08 17:26:04 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 17760 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2000 17:26:03 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 8 Jul 2000 17:26:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 4913 invoked by uid 40001); 8 Jul 2000 17:28:01 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 4910 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2000 17:28:01 -0000 Received: from hn.egroups.com (208.50.99.199) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 8 Jul 2000 17:28:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-3492-963077266-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2000 17:27:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 30470 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2000 17:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Jul 2000 17:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.176) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jul 2000 17:27:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 48165 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2000 17:27:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000708172745.48164.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.42.152.31 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:27:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.152.31] To: lojban@egroups.com From: "Jorge Llambias" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:27:45 PDT Subject: Re: Languages' names for Lojban (was: RE: [lojban] French word for "Lojban" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit la djan cusku di'e >It would never occur to me to pronounce an obviously non-English >word as if it were English. But it becomes an English word once you start using it in English, and you can't keep pronouncing it with non-English sounds for long if you use it frequently, it becomes a pain both to speak like that and to hear it. I guess this is more noticeable in languages with more restricted phonologies than English, but you can't be expected to make distinctions that are just not part of the language. At least for many people on this list "lojban" and "lojbanic" are English words by now, aren't they? As well as gismu, lujvo, etc. co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Special Offer-Earn 300 Points from MyPoints.com for trying @Backup Get automatic protection and access to your important computer files. Install today: http://click.egroups.com/1/6347/4/_/17627/_/963077266/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com